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We are planning an LJ meeting in Colorado for June 21-23, 2005.

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Post by Jimny » Fri Mar 05, 2004 6:25 am

1-Re-jet your carbs for the altitude. ifxatvs can get you the jets that you will need. PM or email them, they will need to know what carb you have.

2-Warm Clothing. It will be T-Shirt warm during the day but at night it does drop down to where you will need a jacket.

3-Shelter Tent, camper or your enclosed vehicle plus a warm sleeping bag.

4-Permits If your LJ is not registered in your home state you will need a permit to go on the trails. More about that in the future.

5-First Aid kitsNeed I say more?

6-Food, eating utensilsBring enough food for your stay plus eating utensils, one night we might have a cookout for everyone.

7-Trash Bagsbring trash bags, I'm sure there will be dumpsters to throw your trash in. I'm sure everyone knows this but it's part of a Check List :wink:


*I will add more later....*
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Post by stevec » Fri Sep 17, 2004 3:45 pm

In reading various trip reports on the web and such, it sounds like mid to late July they pretty much have a brief rain daily. The day starts out sunny and warm, then in the afternoon the clouds build up for a brief t-shower, then by sundown it's nice again. We'll be there in early July, so we may avoid this, but please come prepared for rain. The passes are over 12,000' so snow is a possibility as well! :shock:
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Post by DrizSki » Tue Sep 28, 2004 3:07 am

Hi,

As a lover of all things low -- I need to know a little more about rejetting the carbs - is this something you do at the site, at home, or what?

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Post by Idahopaul » Fri Oct 01, 2004 11:33 am

ya, Im gonna have to get some jets for my datson!
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Post by Smuz » Fri Oct 01, 2004 7:13 pm

Yeah, I need jets for the stock carbs on Wilson and Sancho and jets for the Weber on Mouser. EeeeK!!!!!

Thanks for reminding me.

Darrick, where are you? I need sum jets!
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Post by Smuz » Fri Oct 01, 2004 7:35 pm

Ok, here's a VERY complete check list of things to take wheeling. I copied this from the July issue of "4X4 Builder" magazine. This guy tried to think of everything, so it's a LONG list. Use it for reference.

1. Prescription Medicine
2. Extra prescription glasses
3. Water
4. Fuel
5. Waterproof Matches
6. Utility knife
7. Food
8. Fire extinguisher
9. Cell phone
10. CB radio
11. Two way radio
12. First aid kit
13. Insect repellant
14. Sunscreen
15. Spare ignition key
16. Full size inflated spare
17. Lug wrench
18. Jumper cables
19. Trash bags
20. Toilet paper
21. Bungee cords
22. Hand cleaner
23. Paper towels
24. Front and rear tow hooks
25. Tow strap (20 ft. minumum) and shackles
26. Tire chains
27. Ice scraper and brush for windshield
28. Extra fuel
29. Extra oil
30. Standard bottle jack
31. Wood jack plate for soft ground
32. Hi-Lift jack
33. Tool kit
34. Complete tire repair kit
35. J-B weld
36. High calorie emergancy food
37. Silicone sealant
38. Fuses
39. Fan and accessory belts
40. Air or CO2 tank with hoses
41. Brake fluid
42. Work gloves
43. Shop rags
44. Come-along (5000 lb. min. capacity)
45. Complete change of clothing
46. Blankets (1 per person, min.)
47. Waterproof, heavy duty coat
48. Cap or hat
49. Maps
50. Compass
51. Axe or hatchet
52. Shovel
53. Money
54. Coins for pay phone
55. Binoculars
56. Camera
57. Camping/fire permits
58. Flashlight w/ extra batteries
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Post by stevec » Mon Oct 04, 2004 10:43 am

Ummm, you DO know that an LJ only has a 250kg load capacity, right? (200kg for hardtops).
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Post by tweeder » Mon Oct 04, 2004 1:33 pm

shoot, i'd have a hard time fitting all that crap into my BroncoII with the rear seats folded down!!! :shock: :shock: :shock:
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Post by Smuz » Mon Oct 04, 2004 2:10 pm

I SAID it was for "reference", you morons.

A coupla things on there I never would have thot of (spare glasses and ignition key), so it's good to look thru it.

Jeeze!
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Post by russmehl » Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:31 pm

44. Come-along (5000 lb. min. capacity)
I know I've put on a little weight lately, but 5000 lb. ?

Oh, Right!
It's all that stuff Smuz is gonna pack into that tiny space... so we can winch him out of any holes he might fall into.

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Post by thesarg » Tue Oct 05, 2004 3:57 am

I'm within smacking distance of him Smuz just lemme know ;)

U guys better take tons of pics u lucky bastids!!!!

Can we have it in Canada 2006 so i can go???
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Post by tweeder » Tue Oct 05, 2004 8:34 pm

Smuz wrote:27. Ice scraper and brush for windshield
whut's dat fer? my ice is either in da freezr or in my glass. :D
thesarg wrote:Can we have it in Canada 2006 so i can go???
or down this direction so this broke college student ain't gotta blow the bank
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Post by Smuz » Wed Oct 06, 2004 8:52 pm

Oh Russ. I have yer name on my list. Ya better bring yer bullet proof underware to the meet next year.

Sarge, if you kin reach him, slap him TWICE!
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Post by Jimny » Sat Mar 05, 2005 10:49 am

So how important is re-jetting the carbs?

Do we really need to do it?
And if so...

What size?

I know Ifxatvs said they could order them for us. We just have to give the the maker name of the carbs we have.
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Post by stevec » Mon Mar 07, 2005 10:13 am

Good question. I've run my LJ10 from sea level up to about 6000' with no ill effects, but we'll be twice that high, and that's when it could become an issue. I'm not sure how much of an issue though. It's only one day, and if we can get by with just adjusting mixture and/or timing, I'd be fine with that. I don't have much experience with high altitude wheeling, so I've never had to change the jets.

In looking at the carb, it should be quite easy to do. Probably don't even have to take the carb apart, right?
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Post by Smuz » Mon Mar 07, 2005 3:29 pm

Probably don't even have to take the carb apart, right?
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Post by stevec » Mon Mar 07, 2005 4:48 pm

Which ones do ya gotta change? All of 'em? Seemed to me that on my LJ10 you could get to at least a couple from the top, without even removing the top. Don't remember which ones though...
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Post by Smuz » Mon Mar 07, 2005 5:02 pm

dunno, haven't got into that yet. Prolly oughta start thinkin about it, tho.

I also gotta do the Weber on Mouser.
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Post by Idahopaul » Fri Mar 11, 2005 12:52 pm

how are we gunna know what size or how many sizes we should drop to?
boy, with my flooding problem down this low its anoying so up that high it probably would die! :oops: gues I should rebuild the carb too!
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Post by Jimny » Sun Mar 27, 2005 1:52 pm

That's a good question Paul. I have been trying to find that out from ifxatvs for the past month but they haven't returned my PM's or emails or phone calls, so I guess we will have to get them somewhere else. I will do some checking this week to see what we need, and I will get some and who ever needs them I will send them a set by mail.
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Post by Smuz » Sun Mar 27, 2005 7:07 pm

For what the information is worth:

I been researching Weber adjustments. Webers have 1) 2 Idle jets. 2) 2 air correction jets. 3) two emulsion tubes. 4) 2 main jets. They also have an accelerator pump jet. Once they are properly tuned, they can be corrected for altitude. This is what they have to say about altitude correction:

"Reduce the primary main jet one size for every 3,000 feet of altitude increase. Altitude correction is typically done to the primary circuit only."

So, onct I get Mouser's Weber tuned, I gotta drop the primary main jet 3 sizes for the Colorado meet.

Like I said, for what it's worth.
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Post by KDKG » Sun Mar 27, 2005 7:39 pm

If I had to changed my jets everytime I increased 3000 ft in altitude , I would never do any wheeling...

That being said, Colorado Springs is at 6800. Silverton is at 11,945.

I regularly wheel at around 11,000 and have gone as high as 14,000.

The question on your mind, do I flood out? Hell yes but only on extreme angles. That could be my weber sloshing too.


I alternate between a manual fuel pump and an electric one (as a booster) as needed to keep it running while climbing.

What size jets do I run, couldn't tell you... Don't know, it came with the Sami.

Thinking about installing a pressure regulator and a air/fuel gauge so I can adjust on the fly. Also Looking into switching to propane.

I personally am more concerned about you guys. That high alititude still kicks my butt and I have been here a while. Air is mighty thin around here...
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Post by stevec » Mon Mar 28, 2005 10:22 am

I believe you can replace the main jet without actually disassembling the carb, at least on my LJ10 carb. Don't remember how easy it is to do on the 20 though. I don't plan on rejetting mine at all before I go. I'll drive one of 'em a bit in Yellowstone the week prior, so I'll see how it does there. Since most of the wheeling is mild (unless you want to do some other side trips), I don't think we'll have too much problem.

Silverton is at an elevation of 9318 feet; the Eureka campsite we'll be at is around 11,000' I think, and the Alpine Loop has two 13,000'+ passes, Engineer and Cinnamon Pass. I might try that "exercise" thing if I can, to make the altitude a bit easier to handle.
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Post by Jimny » Mon Mar 28, 2005 10:29 am

exercise
?? What is this exercise thing I keep hearing about? Is it a new thing? I seen one guy lifting up a brown bottle up to his mouth and back down I asked him what he was doing and he said he's doing the 16oz arm curls. If that's exercise then count me in.

And if KDKG gets winded and he's in great shape being a Marine, oh I will pass out if I walk 20 feet on flat ground. :wink:
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Post by stevec » Mon Mar 28, 2005 10:57 am

Jimny wrote:...if KDKG gets winded and he's in great shape being a Marine, oh I will pass out if I walk 20 feet on flat ground. :wink:
Yeah, that's what worries me...
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